Kangen water Scam

Kangen Water machine - Beware! This machine costs a minimum of $4000. They claim it produces alkaline pH water that contains anti oxidents, and will cure almost anything.

See website http://www.chem1.com/CQ/ionbunk.html - Ionized and alkaline water - Snake Oil on Tap.

This is a multi level marketing firm, and their return policy is that it costs you $100 if you return it unopened within 15 days, you lose $600 if you return it within 15 days opened. If you return it 16 days after returning it, you do not receive any money back (lose a $1000 down payment).

Check out the website above, and buyer beware.

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May 18 #985626

Firstly, it DOES produce pH water. The range is 2.5pH - 11.5pH. Only 8.5pH-9.5pH is for drinking
Secondly, whoever told you it has antioxidants in it were misinformed or poorly trained or educated about the unit
That said, it produces 'active hydrogen' which acts like an antioxidant because they seek out free radicals and neutral use them. As you might expect, the explanation is rather complex because we're talking about chemical reactions in the human body. A great explanation is this link
The person also should not have said it can cure anything. Why? Because everybody's body, diet and lifestyle is different. If you drink alkaline water to make your body less acidic but you eat McDonald's and don't exercise well what do you think the result will be?
As for the return policy, if you had a company that size, I'd be interested to know how much of the labour cost associated with product returns you would absorb? Common sense tells us that any company blatantly accepting product return after product return simply because people change their mind would not be in business for long, right?

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May 11 #982513

It works on inflammation of the joints, so it's a great for me.

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The Rationalist

Jan 19 #933134 Richmond, British Columbia

Anonymous, you are paraphrasing the standard Kangen misrepresentation of the science of Dr. Otto Heinrich Warburg. Warburg was given the Nobel Prize for discovering fermentation in cancer cells in 1931 - Not for claiming an association between acids and cancer, which does not exist. The following writer presents a sound refutation of your argument:
The following webpage (not mine) now sports an auto-play podcast episode that trashes your Kangen Ph quackery theory and exposes the Kangen business model for the sham it is.
If someone still wishes to become a Kangen Distributor or spend $6,000 on a machine after listening to this podcast then all the more power to them (and my pity).

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Jan 19 #933031 Springfield, Missouri

To the rationalist. Please research Otto Warburg. German scientist with world respected nobel peace prize on Acidity and Alkalinity. His scientific, not religious work has never been refuted. Then take that science and do a pH test and also an orp (Oxidation Reduction Potential) test on Kangen water. Ya see, since you mentioned Satan, that may be who's selling us filtered sewer water, or over chlorinated city water, simultaneously hiding such relevant facts to the Sheepeople. Thats it. This water will change levels in the body, as well as chemical imbalances as well. #Nopun

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The Messiah

Jan 16 #931904 London, London

If you return it back?? Hahahaha!!
Y in God's name would u wanna return it back!!!! Hahahaha
I'll say it once and I'll say it again!!!
Which of God's favours do u deny??

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The Rationalist

Jan 16 #932267 Richmond, British Columbia

Just when I thought I've seen it all, Jesus (The Messiah himself) has personally returned to Earth in the form of a Kangen Water Shill (distributor) promising to heal the sick and the poor (the favours of God no less) on this thread for only $4000 a pop. I would suggest that Kangen Water distributors are not the messengers of God they might fashion themselves as in their own sick anti-social or mentally ill delusions, but rather, are he minions of Satan. Perhaps a little Science is in order to put some perspective on this. Certainly even "The Messiah" must have some scientific proof of the healing properties of Kangen Water; or does one simply must believe (trust) in the magic and miracles of Kangen Snake Oil (oops I mean holy water). Kangen "faith-healer" distributors come across as a sick joke to me. I guess that makes me a heretic with a clean conscience.

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Jan 10 #929234 Clark County, Nevada

Wow you people have too much time on your hands! First of all those that make false claims to sell products that don't work are shameless. However doctor's are and still just practicing medicine period. My question is this, if you're buying water in plastic bottle's and adding to the already atrocious waste of recyclable materials why not stop and buy something that is better tasting, better for the body and stop being a clown of negativity. Believe nothing what you hear and half of what you read, try products until you find what works for you and stick to a healthy diet period. Work out, walk, bike or swim but stay away from the shark ridden waters of negativity. Owner of YinYangH20.com

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The Rationalist

Nov 13, 2014 #899822 Richmond, British Columbia

The shills on this thread won't give up on the cancer and miracle curing properties of Kangen water. Again, I say to kat, please produce some links to scientific studies that back up your fantastical testimonials. I will counter your extremely vague testimonial with the following article by real Cancer Surgeon and Researcher discussing an Alkaline water miracle cure scammer who now sports a fashionable prison jumpsuit because of his fraud:
Hopefully more will also end up in a prison cell (including a few of the shill posters here).

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Nov 13, 2014 #899741 Colorado Springs, Colorado

I keep hearing the negative comments, but this water turned my life around and now I'm cancer free!
I'm not the only one who's life has been given back due to this water!
I'm forever grateful to Enagic!!

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Nov 10, 2014 #897963 Los Angeles, California

Did not believe any of these water companies...After two years bought a $4000 sd 501 from Enagic
and I did not believe what happened....Lost over 80 lbs and about 7-10" off waist and then my eyes
went from 575/375 and 375/175 ...was not expecting any results...All info people telling you that Kangen water cures anything is BS...But the water helped balance my body and to balance my system....then my own body ...healed itself ....simple the old faction way...Prevents sickness before you get sick...Let your body do the work....Yes...myself an my family have 5 of the $4000 machines.....this company pays you a referral fee instead of paying Michael Jordan a big fee to advertise...which all checks would go to Michael...he does not need the money? right....it pays the people who share the water with others...referral fee to you....I have no problem, helping people and getting paid to help people. Health and Wellness is the #1 Biz Oppty for the 21st Century...Watch and pay your doctors or do something to help yourself and others....

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Alex Banger

Oct 28, 2014 #891598

Rationalist. Why not just say you are a disgruntled network mouseketeers. With no friends left. So you decide to become a reseller for alibaba korea. Where you buy $125 WATER IONIZER. PRIVATE LABEL IT WITH MARK UP OF $850. THEN KNOCK DOWN OTHER WATER IONIZER THAT ARE ALSO OVERPRICED. Dude it is so obvious you are directing people to buy your *** product. Where did you learn to operate a business? Grandma Smith can smell you miles away. Take a shower. Use Tide.

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The Rationalist

Oct 28, 2014 #891872

Nice try Alex. I don't sell filters, ionizers, Kangen water machines, or any other snake oil health products for that matter; it is all rubbish. Rather than fabricating a scenario/theory regarding my motivations as a poster to serve as a distraction from the subject at hand, disprove my argument. Will you now kindly site some medical journal entries, scientific studies or peer conducted reviews of how Kangen Water is proven to cure disease and to extended the human lifespan (random testimonials don't count)? If you can't answer the question directly, then Kangen Water is a full blown scam and you are a part of that scam (and thus a scam artist, and a bad one at that). I'll provide the following reference as a starting point.
"Alkaline Water: If You Fall for This "Water Fad" You Could Do Some Major Damage"

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John Think

Oct 23, 2014 #889004 New York, New York

You are the scam of the earth. Instead of helping people. You are more concern in selling your own product. Chemo cost $50,000 per visit. Your stupidity really shows how ignorant you are. Totally delusional. When was the last time you have been in the hospital to visit your love ones? Perhaps none yet. Don't you worry sooner or later you will be there. Either visiting someone or you being visited. You'll be there I guarantee.

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The Rationalist

Oct 24, 2014 #889818

John Think, are you claiming that Kangen Water is a proven cure and treatment for cancer? If so, where is the science to back it up: there is none; only shill "testimonials". Would you tell your mother to not utilize western medicine if she was diagnosed with Cancer and to drink only Kangen Water instead (the water you sell/recommend)? If the answer is yes, you are a very dangerous individual. I don't sell water filters or medical products and have nothing to gain financially by posting here. At the end of my life, I want to be able to look in the mirror and know I didn't spend my time scamming innocent people; that is why I would never sell or promote Kangen Water. People who knowingly scam people in order to achieve their own personal aims are Sociopaths; thus anyone who is aware of the true nature of Kangen Water and continues to sell it under the pretence of miracle cures is at the very least an anti-social person; either that or really ignorant or ***. I truly hope that you fall into the later category rather than the first.

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John Thick

Oct 28, 2014 #891589

Well. Try drinking cool aid pal. Because your ionized water Is a scam. You and the rest of scammers. You are a reseller with no customers. Broke walking along the boulevard of broken dreams. It goes to show how ignorant you are. You think that your product will sell right? Try looking where your product is made. You are selling an ionizer ***. Your life has ended the day you started promoting alkaline water. Plain and simple. I would rather see you in *** burning than allow you to sell water ionizer. Go hide where the sun don't shine.

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The Rationalist

Oct 28, 2014 #891798

Cool aid is just as much as cure for Cancer and other medical problems as Kangen Water is. I don't sell or own any snake oil alkaline machine, ionizers, filters or any other such junk products and have never participated in an MLM; I work a regular day job. I have nothing financial to gain by posting here. Your assumptions of my agenda are false and do not discredit the facts I presented with regards to Kangen Water miracle healing claims being a scam. Both of you have utterly failed to provide even a shred of evidence that Kangen Water provides any health benefits. You have not sited any articles in health journals, research or scientific studies. If Kangen water is not a health scam then I challenge you to present that evidence (not fantastical testimonials) here and now. Site those studies and medical journal entries here and now John Thick and Alex Banger; if you can't, then my argument stands solid and your words are worthless diatribe no matter what off base fantastical assumptions you make about my motivations as a poster. Let me make a prediction: you will now go on a personal attack rather than provide scientific evidence (of which there is none) that Kangen Water is a legitimate medical cure for disease. Thus, who are the real scammers here? Needless to say, my conscience is clear and clean, unlike those who sell Kangen Water machines (and any water treatment device that promises miracle cures).

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The Rationalist

Sep 16, 2014 #870860

Consider the following words before investing in a Kangen Water Machine:
You know a medical product is 'snake oil' when all the salesperson can do is offer outlandish claims based on testimonials and no peer reviewed studies. People are making claims that alkaline water cures cancer, heart disease, diabetes, eye problems and all sorts of diseases. The manufacturers of the device however do not make these claims.
There is not one mention of this ''Amazing Drug'' on any government medical website such as the FDA, CDC, EPA or any others. There are no clinical studies proving any of the claims made by the salespeople.
Promoting Alkaline Water Hurts People because the people selling Alkaline water are making false medical claims which give people false hope or makes them not look for traditional treatments. It is sold, as a food supplement so there is no regulation. It is the same way they can sell weight loss and male enhancement products that do not work. Sake oil products come along all the time. It is amazing how we are all so desperate that we tend to want to believe anything.
A search of FDA, CDC, EPA, WEBMD show no studies or information. The following two articles also provide some useful insight into the world of Alkaline Water Health Quackery Scams.
http://www.apswater.com/article.asp?id=198&title=Alkaline+Water+Hoax+It+is+Simple+Science http://www.apswater.com/article.asp?id=207&title=About_Kangen_Water_-_Many_know_It_is_a_scam

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Just Some Guy

Sep 16, 2014 #870618

I don't know much about the return policy. All I have is my personal experience with this product.
My best friend got a Kangen SD501 and started doing the business about a year and a half ago. I immediately had red flags go up when he approached me about it. I mean think about it, water resolving all of these medical issues for these people. It's a little hard to believe... So I didn't.
For the first 5 months I refused to even try the water. I told my buddy, "I already drink water, I'm good." As he persisted I grew more and more agitated.
Finally at one point we got into an argument and he said, "For someone who claims to be so open minded, you sure aren't acting like it." So out of frustration I agreed I would try it for a month and then thats it... I was sure that I was not going to feel anything and expressed them to him, but he insisted.
Much to my amazement after 10 days I began sleeping wayy better! I never use to remember/have dreams and all of the sudden I couldn't stop dreaming. Then by day 14 the tendonitis I had in my knees for the last 8 years had completely subsided. I started freaking out... I then proceeded to give it to my dad and grandma. After a month of drinking it, their doctors had lowered their cholesterol medication and my grandma was actually taken off of her insulin (she was a borderline type 2 diabetic).
All in all, I went from super skeptic to believer. And by your post I am assuming you didn't even drink it consistently for over 21
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Aug 30, 2014 #863377 Vero Beach, Florida

I also bought the best Kangen Water machine Enagic had to offer (both in Florida and Norway), and it has been a miracle cure for me personally. And it is the "drinkers" who claim it to be a fantastic help for their many health problems. It has helped with skin problems 3 doctors couldn't help me with, didn't know what the problem was, one said was incurable and gave me antibiotics - couldn't stomach that stuff, literally. I am not so tired from the acidic state my body was in - now I am more alkaline. My developing arthritis has stopped (started at 59, I am 62 and had a machine for 3 years). It is expensive technology and a high-quality machine, so it's not a cheap water filter. I have told all my family and friends about it and several have bought machines - I bought one for my skeptical daughter and she now drinks it religiously, as do her new little ones. I was at the Paris office official opening and the testimonials there were equally incredible and inspiring as to what people experienced. And it does NOT make alkaline water from harmful chemicals. I use the strong acid on my Pugs irritated ears to kill bacteria and gargle with it; I clean all my windows/mirrors with the super high alkaline water. Please talk to others who have felt the benefits and TRY IT!

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